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No Fourie D P?
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document.write("How can any combined Currie Cup Team not include Fourie Du Preez? Not only is he the world's best scrumhalf by a country mile, but he is probably the world's best rugby player at he moment.
Even if he played very few games in the Currie Cup, he was instrumental in the three tries scored by the BB in the final. The Bulls of course went on to win it.. Drapanos");
document.write("@Drapanos
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document.write("He wasn;t included because he only played towards the end of the currie cup, and as such wasn't nominated enough times for the team of the week to be included. if you read the article properly you'd know that.
I reckon Terreblanche fully deserves his place in this team, and can feel very unfortunnate that he didn't get to have one last chance to represent his country before he hangs up his boot. I reckon he could've really taught some of the younger guys a thing or 2, even if he just played in the midweek games.
But, from a Sharks point of view, it at least gives him a nice extended rest, and hopefully he can be fresh and raring to go by the time the super 14 starts. :-). Sharky Andrew");
document.write("Steyn
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document.write("Didn't Steyn play exactly the same number of games than Fourie? Surely they came back from Tri-Nations together, or am I missing something...? How come Du Preez misses out on the basis of games played even though he won the final as Steyn won the semi...?
Anyway, I'd like to see this team take on the Springbok dirt trackers. I'm still surprised at how little of this year's form players got Bok call-ups (Liebenberg, Strauss, Pretorius, Mapoe, Pietersen, Du Preez and Nel).... JC");
document.write("Stefan Terblanche, Louw, Jack, Anton V Zyl....
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document.write("I dont understand these selections...Terblanches shows year in & out how badly he copes with pressure. He showed it again in the semi. Couldnt catch a ball to save his life. Stegmann & even the loosies from the Cheetahs all had better seasons than Louw. Once again we see media favouring the WP players...Jack is not even an SA player & he only played half of the season, so whats up with this selection???? Anton Van Zyl cant even be mentioned in the same sentence as the locks from the Cheetahs. They overpowered the Sharks lineout & although they couldnt get the better of Matfield & Bakkies, they were very physical. Once again the a biased call from the media. . Willem");
document.write("Team without BOKS
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document.write("It might be a better to select a Currie Cup team of the year before the Springboks came back and after their return.
If we would select a team (where players played at least 2 Currie Cup games) guys like Brussouw, Fourie du Preez, Matfield and Bakkies would surely had made the best team. Guys like Anton van Zyl and Francois Louw will never (on merit) be above Brussouw and Matfield.
On the other hand, if Watson could get the Currie Cup player of the year then surely any team should be sufficient.. arrie healing");
document.write("Luke??
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document.write("Luke Watson also performed admirably?... He was Currie Cup player of the tournament for Pete's sake!! And not taking anything away from Ashley Johnson who has a bright future ahead of him, but I think Luke was the best 8th-man in the tournament by far.. Kola");
document.write("Can see Willem is a F.ing Bull..
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document.write("Cant give any nice comments. Media favouring Province?? WTF are you smoking dude?? Get a life bro, ur beloved team won the CC. And one of my points is also, that if Fourie Du preez is not chosen because he did not play enough games, then why did Morne Steyn get a spot? Media Favouring the Bulls maybe? I'd rather pick JL Potgieter, because he played the whole season! And he played well. chris Jack played a huge role in Province, thats why he got the number 1 spot. Anton van Zyl was the best in the line-outs when Victor was playing for the boks. Francois Louw got a shIT load of man of the match awards this year, no doubt he was class. Stegmann is a dirty player just like most of your team members. So Willem, go screw yourself!!. Jagger");
document.write("Rugby365 editor.
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document.write("Will Jagger get a warning for his language??. Willem");
document.write("@ Jagger
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document.write("Where do you get off calling the Bulls all dirty players.
If the Bulls are dirty players, then the Boks are just as dirty, cause they make up the majority of the team.
When has Stegman played dirty??. Viva Le Bok");
document.write("Jagger...
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document.write("In case you didnt notice...Stegmann stole more ball than Brussouw in the final.. Willem");
document.write("Rugby365 vs. Readers Teams
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document.write(" 365 Readers
15. Terblanche Pietersen
14. Demas Aplon (11)#
13. De Jongh De Jongh
12. Olivier Olivier
11. Mapoe Mapoe (14)#
10. Steyn Potgieter
9. Pretorius Pretorius
8. Johnson Watson
7. Potgieter Deysel
6. Louw Louw
5. Van Zyl Van Zyl
4. Jack Sykes
3. Nel Nel
2. Liebenberg Liebenberg
1. Du Preez Du Preez
#I switched Aplon and Mapoe around to show the matches.
According to the People's Team, Pietersen and Watson are unlucky to miss out on 365's team, but Van Zyl and FLouw deserves their spots. Steyn probably snuck in ahead of Potgieter because he's the flavour of the month (rightly so), even though he only played a handful of games.
So Willem and Jagger, I don't think fingers can be pointed at the media, these are just the stand-out players of this season. Pity so few of them got into the Bok squad though...
And Willem: Three Bulls scrumhalves and their two reserve hookers in the Bok squad? Ahead of Pretorius, Liebenberg, Strauss etc. Maybe the Bok coaching staff is biased towards the Bulls...?
. JC");
document.write("Lack of sportsmanship!
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document.write("Whenever someone makes ridiculous comments about the bulls without being able to back it up with evidence one just has to laugh it off. The fact of the matter is...they are jealous. I'm not talking about people making actual rugby related comments but saying things like \"we are dirty\" and \"Morne does not deserve his awards\"...these are all comments backed by no insight and pure jealousy, because they so badly wanted their team to be in the position the bulls are currently. They will of course deny that fact that and try to back up their insane comments by any little spatter of proof they can dig up somewhere. But any true rugby supporter who is not just slightly jealous of what the bulls has achieved is not very passionate about their team because every supporter wants their team to have a year such as the bulls. The fact that this has only been achieved once in the pro era shows what a remarkable achievement it is. I don't care if the cheetahs had the majority of possesion or if Kaplan was so called \"one-sided\" or whatever other excuses people can come up with. Because no insane comment can wipe the smile off my face or take away the pride I have in supporting the all conquering bulls.
Call me one-sided or arrogant...saying how proud I am of my team is not arrogance. If I come across as gloating or whatever it's because I'm so sick and tired of people not being able to give credit where it's due. Sorry to all the sharks, wp and cheetah supporters who have congratulated us but here are some people who have no sportsmanship. That includes willem just before everyone starts hammering me about him because you all know that even bulls can't stand him. . Andrea");
document.write("@willem
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document.write("Yes he stole more than brussouw but brussouw's side had all the possesion so he did not need to take it.. HOEKA_ CHAKA_CHEETAH");
document.write("@Andrea
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document.write("I agree. you have every right to be proud of your team, they have done very well this year, and I can only hope the sharks reach the same level of play in future as the bulls have this year. I'm still optimistic about the future of the sharks. I think with the players we have in the squad we should do quite well in the Super 14 :-) Remember the Bulls also had quite a dissapointing year last year, and managed to bounce back quite well from that. so hopefully the sharks can now do the same. Time will tell.. Sharky Andrew");
document.write("Sharky Andrew...
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document.write("We hear that every year...Great team every year but you still manage to choke...All I know is that I get a good laugh in every year. . Willem");
document.write("Hi Willem
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document.write("I congratulate your team on Winning the CC. just a pity they not the 1st team to win both a Super Trophy and CC for the first time.
but back to the point, last year, after your beloved bulls won the S14 for the 1st time, they made a real hash of the title defence. what a laugh that was!!! oh and before i stop laughing, that Reds vs Bulls match were the Reds put how many points behind you still makes me laugh to this day!
. richzed");
document.write("Willem
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document.write("So how hard did you laugh last year, when the Sharks won the Currie Cup? I'm not a Sharks fan, but you can give credit where credit is due...
And for the record, the Bulls have won the wooden spoon (1999, 2001 and 2002) more times than they won the title, so I suggest you get off your high horse. The current Bulls team are awesome, but even the great teams sometimes come back to earth.... JC");
document.write("Willem
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document.write("I was referring to the Super 12/14 wooden spoon, by the way.... JC");
document.write("@ JC
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document.write("i dont know the year, maybe you can help me with this little problem. what year did the bulls go with out a single win in the Super 12/14? . richzed");
document.write("@JC and Richzed
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document.write("Rather focus on making posts that have something to do with the Article on hand. The currie cup is over, and we should all start focussing on the springboks now. we can start debating which provincial team is the best when the Super 14 starts again in February. :-). Sharky Andrew");
document.write("Richzed
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document.write("According to wikipedia it was in 2002, when they ended with exactly 1 (one) point...
But I don't mean to have a go at the Bulls and their supporters. I enjoy some of the Bulls bloggers on this site such as Steyn and Andrea, and I think the current Bulls are an excellent team and a bunch of guys who thoroughly deserve their successes. My point is that all sides go through ups and downs, and a man should be big enough to admit this. Be proud, enjoy victory and success, but, as Adriaan Strauss said after the final, always stay humble.... JC");
document.write("JC...
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document.write("Once every 12 years I have to put up with a Sharks victory. Look at all the pathetic sharks comments. How many wooden spoons the Bulls had to put up with? I dont know & I dont care. I can assure you only sharks supporters will know that stat. I also remember a bunch of you idiots telling me that the past does not matter & the only thing that counts is NOW. Well...NOW that the BULLS are currie cup & Super 14 champs...what do you clownfish monkeys have to say??? . Willem");
document.write("Sharky
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document.write("Not debating who is best (at the moment the Bulls reign supreme), just responding to Willem, who I'm sure you've come across.... JC");
document.write("Willem
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document.write("Read my posts carefully and slowly before you mouth off.... JC");
document.write("JC
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document.write("I'm refering to sharks supporters...their union apparently has the most money(which I find hard to believe) & they buy every superstar under the sun. I hear Brussow might also be heading to Durbs. Funny how they keep on buying & keep on choking..... Willem");
document.write("Congrats to the Blue Bulls
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document.write("Well done to the Bulls, they ARE the Best Team at the moment!!We are all living in South Africa.... why do we end up hating each other because we watch and win and loose in the wonderful game of RUGBY!!. E Hovell");
document.write("@ Willem
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document.write("Dude - really go & write down what you want to say first before opening your dumb mouth!
Terblanch crumbles under pressure?? They were not talking about your aunt,...this is Stephan Terblanch who if it were not for his age, I would have selected as my 1st choice fullback after Frans anyday!
Chris Jack - he is a legend in his own time & the time he spent with Province really picked up their forwards like a possessed team! He totally deserves his place in that team.
Now to Jagger - mate, you are as bad you accuse Willem! Who are you to blanket all Bulls supporters? When you have your own provincial Republik of Natal commenting like Willem.
Get over yourself! Are you new here or what? Bulls supporters do not even back up Willem!
. JayB");
document.write("Buying players...
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document.write("There'a an annoying thread that permeates these inter-provincial discussions....that of the Sharks being the only team to buy players.
And the Bulls have never bought anyone, eh?
They used the entire mandatory military conscription process to \"buy\" players!
And when that ended....Where did \"Liefling\" come from? Dewald Potgieter? Deon Stegmann? Gurthro Steenkamp? Bryan Habana? Jaco Pretorious? Zane Kirchner? Akona Ndugane? And those are just the few I have on the tip of my tongue. I'm sure many more, including key starters, hail from elsewhere. So stop accusing the Sharks of being the only purchasers of players...
The Bulls supporters are as biased, if not more, than any other, screaming from the top of their lungs - and continuously fail to see their imperfections. They somehow think that their opinion weighs more now..... Blaze");
document.write("Blaze
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document.write("Yes the Bulls buy players. We buy them and we win trophies. Lots of them. What has all your bought players done for you? 1 Currie Cup in 14 years.. Frikkie5000");
document.write("Buying players
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document.write("The sharks buy all our best players and still we beat them, and all provinces buy players, sharks buy cheetahs, bulls buys lions, cheetahs buys boland, wp buys has beens. It is just that our budget is way smaller than the other big 4 unions and still we manage to make it to the currie cup final more often than not.. HOEKA_ CHAKA_CHEETAH");
document.write("Lets all get over this \"buying players\" rubbish
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document.write("ALL provinces buy players & who cares?
Habana has been a Bull for years but in 3 years time that will be forgotten & he will be every bit a Stormer than he was a Bull.
How many of us work in the same city we were born in? How many of us moved for better carreers or just a change.
To me as long as we don't buy overseas players WHEN we have the talent to fill the spot then its ok. However I do need to state that the odd exception is very worth while,...like Chris Jack! Man - what that guy did for Province will be remembered for a long time. Look how much Anton van Zyl has developed this season.
If you research your own players you will see that every province buys/imports loads of players. Who cares? Its sad to see the great ones leave but I'm sure not 1 of us would complain & pull the \"buying\" card if our team aquired the services of Brussouw, Habana, Matfield or du Preez,....would we?
. JayB");
document.write("@Blaze
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document.write("Dude, if you going to ask us a question, at least give us time to answer it. lol. and its actually 3 currie cups in 14 years btw :-)
I reckon the players we've got on board over the years have made quite a positive impact on the team. We bought Fred Michalak last year who helped us win the Currie Cup, and Hopefully Juan Hernandez will have settled into the sharks squad better by next year and can help us win the Super 14. We'll see what happens. :-) I also think that the younger guys will learn quite a bit from playing in the same squad as these stars, and will be even better players in the future as a result.. Sharky Andrew");
document.write("@JayB
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document.write("Well said dude on all counts.. jacques emmerson");
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document.write("Had to move this comment here from Blue Bulls Ratings, so that I could answer a dimwitted lady.
Paul and Andrea, especially Andrea, what turnovers at scrumtime are you talking about, a freekick for the other team scrumming early isn't a turnover, it's an unforced error, it has nothing to do with scrumming. You are probably one of those ladies, that know absolutely nothing about rugby, only reading the stats afterwards, then making a distorted contribution. I never said the Bulls were pathetic, Derick Kuun signifies everything wrong with sportstars, he will most probably end up where Joost is at the moment, crying for forgiveness after being the ultimate idiot.
Werner Kruger and Guthro, couldn't even scrum the Leopards into submission, they are pretty much useless, were it not for Stegman, Bakkies and Potgieter, you'd have had a riot.
As for Spies, you obviously never interpret stats correctly, Spies is an eightman, playing like a wing, the same as Kankowski, he frequently misses tackles, he never wins turnovers, but all that is overshadowed by the fact that he make two or three strong runs in a game, where he actually runs away from his support, and were it not for guys like Brussow and Burger, he would probably concede possession.
Paul not much to say to you, your comments always speaks for themselves, clearly stating you are an idiot.
Thank You, let the sledging begin.. Fani. Fanie");
document.write("Willem old chap
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document.write("The guys selecting the team of the tournament all know something about rugby, other than you.
Why don't you go back to bed and stick your thumb back in your mouth, rather than opening it.
. GWB");
document.write("Team out of non touring springboks
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document.write("Just saw on sasi website the team picked out of players not going on end year tour. thought it would be interesting
15. Joe Pietersen
14. Lionel Mapoe
13. Jaco Pretorius
12. Barry Geel
11. Allistair Ketteldas
10.Willem de Waal
9. Sarel Pretorius
8. Willem Alberts
7. Frans Viljoen
6. Deon Stegman
5. Stephan Sykes
4. Anton van Zyl
3. WP Nel
2. Tiaan Liebenberg
1. Wian du Preez
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document.write("Willem ! Did the Bulls beat the Sharks this year in the Currie Cup ?
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document.write("NO !!!!!!
Sorry, where were the Bulls before the Boks came back. Yes the Sharks lost to a motivated Cheetah side in the semis but they have the most depth out of all the SA sides and it has shown the last 5 years. I feel sorry for the rest of the Bulls supporters in this country because they have to sit next to a DOUCHE like you all season.. Logan Ecklestein");
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